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Emerje wrote:I'm probably going to get this set. I think this Shockwave looks better with the gray front in alt mode, Megatron will probably look better than the ER figure if they do the brushed metal effect well, and my Netflix Soundwave can't transform because one of the hip pins was misaligned so he can't do a split.
What I'm really curious about is how they intend to label it. Premium Finish? Legacy? With a 40th Anniversary label for sure. And there must be an Autobot counterpart, right?
Emerje
1. Sorry, but you ARE wrong. At least in treating non-transferrence as a universal thing. Some mold release agents used in injection molding CAN leave residue on the plastic; this is a known annoyance to model kit builders. I learned about it in the model train world, where I was told certain kits were best cleaned off before trying to paint. It's typically just a slick film, but it can build up like soap scum in particularly egregious cases. When people weighed in that that's what the problem with Nacelle actually was, I was inclined to trust them because A. it was a thing I knew existed c/o experts and B. I deeply mistrust it when the fandom cries "The sky is falling"Emerje wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:I guess it's possible this company is an elaborate front.
I never said mold release agents don't exist, I said liquid agents aren't used in commercial injection molding. There's other kinds of molding that do use them like silicon molds and casting, but not injection molding. Just imagine all the imperfections on parts that would be left behind by pockets of liquid getting squeezed into crevices as hot plastic is pumped into the mold.
The one product they say can be used for injection molding they claim has to be cured first and non-transferring, certainly not a "release fluid" that has to be washed off and is going to turn into dry fuzz.
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See the first one again. Cured to the mold, non-transfering, doesn't need to be washed off. Definitely not a liquid that's going to cause fuzz on plastic.
I'm not wrong.
Emerje
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Sorry, but you ARE wrong. At least in treating non-transferrence as a universal thing. Some mold release agents used in injection molding CAN leave residue on the plastic; this is a known annoyance to model kit builders. I learned about it in the model train world, where I was told certain kits were best cleaned off before trying to paint. It's typically just a slick film, but it can build up like soap scum in particularly egregious cases. When people weighed in that that's what the problem with Nacelle actually was, I was inclined to trust them because A. it was a thing I knew existed c/o experts and B. I deeply mistrust it when the fandom cries "The sky is falling"
1. Those companies aren't everybody; just because they use semi-permanent stuff doesn't mean everybody does (or that that's how it was always done). And plastic model kits are, in fact, commercial injection molding. It might not actually be what's the case here, given some of the new information I've seen from you, but unless multiple veteran hobbyists have been wrongly informed for decades... mold release residue is a thing.Emerje wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Sorry, but you ARE wrong. At least in treating non-transferrence as a universal thing. Some mold release agents used in injection molding CAN leave residue on the plastic; this is a known annoyance to model kit builders. I learned about it in the model train world, where I was told certain kits were best cleaned off before trying to paint. It's typically just a slick film, but it can build up like soap scum in particularly egregious cases. When people weighed in that that's what the problem with Nacelle actually was, I was inclined to trust them because A. it was a thing I knew existed c/o experts and B. I deeply mistrust it when the fandom cries "The sky is falling"
I mentioned this before. That residue isn't necessarily mold release but simply a build up caused by injecting melted plastic into a mold. Plastic is oil based, when it's melted there's going to be some oils released, if it's softer plastic there's going to be plasticizer leakage. Those companies linked to above call their release agents "semi-permanent", they wear down over thousands of uses, the amounts that appear on plastic would be trace at best and a far cry from the claims of the fuzz being a "mold release fluid" that needs to be washed off as part of the production process, that just doesn't exist in commercial injection molding.
Take photos. Then scrape some off into a jar or plastic bag along with a bit of paper and seal it, and keep it under observation; see if it grows or withers (or if it does nothing). And bleach-wipe the rest off of your Nacelle. That should deal with it, whatever it is.Emerje wrote:My own Nacelle has tiny bits of fuzz on different parts, not just the wings but also the left shoulder and right hip.
Emerje
And the answer is... neither of those!Emerje wrote:What I'm really curious about is how they intend to label it. Premium Finish? Legacy?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. Those companies aren't everybody; just because they use semi-permanent stuff doesn't mean everybody does (or that that's how it was always done). And plastic model kits are, in fact, commercial injection molding. It might not actually be what's the case here, given some of the new information I've seen from you, but unless multiple veteran hobbyists have been wrongly informed for decades... mold release residue is a thing.
2. Again, everything I had seen prior to this point made the buildup on Nacelle figures appear to be more of a scum than a fuzz. Which had me inclined to agree with the "mold release residue" analysis.
Take photos. Then scrape some off into a jar or plastic bag along with a bit of paper and seal it, and keep it under observation; see if it grows or withers (or if it does nothing). And bleach-wipe the rest off of your Nacelle. That should deal with it, whatever it is.
Sabrblade wrote:And the answer is... neither of those!Emerje wrote:What I'm really curious about is how they intend to label it. Premium Finish? Legacy?
It's a new separate line titled "Dramatic Capture Series".
I agree that's what they mean by "capture", but no there was no scene of the three of them on the Nemesis in the G1 cartoon, since the interior of that ship was only ever seen in the first episode right before the Decepticons boarded the Ark. In this case, "Dramatic Capture" probably refers to a more general definition of we, the consumers, getting to create our own diorama scenes with these sets.Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And the answer is... neither of those!Emerje wrote:What I'm really curious about is how they intend to label it. Premium Finish? Legacy?
It's a new separate line titled "Dramatic Capture Series".
I'm guessing it's "capture" as in screen capture? Was there a scene with these three together on the Nemesis? I can't recall one.
Emerje
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Ghost Starscream. Oh, yes. Waspinator ... I already have you. I wonder how much this set will wind up being? Because Ghost Screamer is tempting.
I guess this is the chance to grab Soundy for those who've missed out. Tough being packed with ER Megatron, though. Not only was Siege everywhere, but this Megatron has that terrible sworn/gun thing. At least Shockwave is pretty good. I don't think he really needed those extra bits. I wonder if this version will be prone to yellowing too.
william-james88 wrote:The prices are all standard retail, due to the high value of the American dollar right now
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I look forward to SIEGE Shockwaves being dumped on eBay by people who get the set.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I look forward to SIEGE Shockwaves being dumped on eBay by people who get the set.
Well, that's just it: since they're the same toy, people who already had SIEGE Shocky would be unlikely to keep both after getting this set. They'd want to unload one or the other (and then there's the people who will be dumping this set's Shockwave because Soundwave was literally the only one they wanted).-Kanrabat- wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I look forward to SIEGE Shockwaves being dumped on eBay by people who get the set.
Why would they? It's the exact same toy but without the extra bits.
Yeeeah. The days of getting SIEGE Shockwave near, at, or below retail on eBay... have sadly ended. But if a bunch of people started unloading them because of this set, that could well change.-Kanrabat- wrote:Plus, Siege Shockwave is basically worthless because it was over-produced.
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AAaaaaannnnnnnnndddddd eBay proves me wrong.
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