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I got it. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not one of the Furman apologists. Sure, he went of the rails a bit later on, but his Dreamwave stuff was on point. I just wish he was allowed to finish it. War Within, at least.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Didn't mean to imply you were, sorry. I'm just amused by the wording making it sound like one, and by how many things it could be used for. Read the last line of my previous post for an example.Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't really meaning it as an excuse, there's nothing wrong with War Within or the early IDW.
His robot mode head has a kinda-similar visor, it touches on the idea of kids perceiving earth-movers as mechanical dinosaurs, and last but DEFINITELY not least: So that Hasbro would not lose their trademark on the name Grimlock.Rodimus Prime wrote:I got it. I just wanted to make it clear I'm not one of the Furman apologists. Sure, he went of the rails a bit later on, but his Dreamwave stuff was on point. I just wish he was allowed to finish it. War Within, at least.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Didn't mean to imply you were, sorry. I'm just amused by the wording making it sound like one, and by how many things it could be used for. Read the last line of my previous post for an example.Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't really meaning it as an excuse, there's nothing wrong with War Within or the early IDW.
Anyway, back to Grimlock. Why on Earth would the green guy be called Grimlock in Robots in Disguise instead of say, Scoop or something, since he was a construction vehicle? I know they were going for different stuff, and the figure itself isn't bad, but should not have been called Grimlock.
You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Here's why I brought him up:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
To the best of my knowledge that was, in fact, Aaron Archer. If it was someone else in charge of that at the time, somebody please tell me who.Rodimus Prime wrote:Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version
Your saying this seemed to imply you thought that whoever who chose the name "Grimlock" for the character - again, to the best of my knowledge that was Aaron Archer - had control of who was in the show. If that was not in fact what you meant, I apologize.Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
But the quote you put in bold was stated after you mentioned Archer. I said nothing about the people in charge at the time.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Here's why I brought him up:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, the Japanese version made sense. There were no Dinobots, so there shouldn't have been a character called Grimlock. Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version needs a kick in the ass. And I didn't say **** about Archer, I don't know why you brought him up.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You do realize that Aaron Archer had no control over who got used in the show (it wasn't a collaboration like the Unicron Trilogy) and the character was called something else ("Build Hurricane") in the original Japanese version, right?Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Reason one:To the best of my knowledge that was, in fact, Aaron Archer. If it was someone else in charge of that at the time, somebody please tell me who.Rodimus Prime wrote:Whoever was in charge of renaming them for the American version
Well, let's get this straight. The show was made (written, animated and voiced) in Japan first. Correct? If so, did Hasbro (and by extension, Archer) have any say in any aspect of it? Or was Hasbro basically forced to take whatever the japs churned out and just rewrite the story and dub it in English? If so, then whoever was in charge of giving the characters their American names is at fault for naming a green construction vehicle Grimlock. Yes, I know why, to keep the trademark. But was there no cooperation between Takara and Hasbro at all? Couldn't Archer say 'Hey, we want to use the name Grimlock, can you put a dinosaur in there for the good guys?' Or if we go by your point of recycling BW molds, it was a perfect opportunity to bring in Dinobot and name him Grimlock, the name of the character that inspired him. Even if it would have been weird that he was the only good guy beast in the cast.Reason two:Your saying this seemed to imply you thought that whoever who chose the name "Grimlock" for the character - again, to the best of my knowledge that was Aaron Archer - had control of who was in the show. If that was not in fact what you meant, I apologize.Rodimus Prime wrote:The show had the Predacons, who were beasts, so why couldn't the good guys have beasts as well? Not call them Aitobots, but something else? Dinobots would have worked. They would have been perfect foils to the Predacons, while the Autobots faced off with the Decepticons.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, let's get this straight. The show was made (written, animated and voiced) in Japan first. Correct? If so, did Hasbro (and by extension, Archer) have any say in any aspect of it? Or was Hasbro basically forced to take whatever the japs churned out and just rewrite the story and dub it in English?
Rodimus Prime wrote:I thought about making an all-new thread, but I think my questions fit in here.
Which Voyager sized Grimlock toy is your favorite, and which do you think represents G1 Grimlock the best?
Rodimus Prime wrote:So no love for the PoTP voyager?
Rodimus Prime wrote:So no love for the PoTP voyager?
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